obama was much maligned in the 2008 campaign. let me just play that. >> we went to some of these small towns in pennsylvania, like a lot of small towns in the midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. and it's not surprising then, that they get bitter. and they cling to guns or religion. >> rowland, should the democrats heed president clinton's advice on the gun issue? >> i think what the key for democrats to do is, again, to be sensible when it comes to guns. you have seen democrats who are strong nra supporters say, we should do something. and that's what the real key here is. the problem is when it becomes, you either do something, and the opposition says, no, you do nothing. there has to be some kind of middle ground. so what some democrats are saying is, look, we've got to be able to appeal to them. but it's not just folks in the south also, erin. you have democrats in minnesota, wisconsin, maine, new york that have all gotten "a" ratings from the nra. >> fair point. >> so it's a very del